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The beef all started back in May 2019 when Ethan Klein called out photo editing
In May 2019, H3H3’s Ethan Klein posted a video called “Instagram vs. Reality,” where he called out how heavily photos on social media are edited. He found images of celebrities and influencers that they had posted and compared them to photos other people had taken.
He included Trisha Paytas in the video, calling them the “spokesperson for Instagram vs Reality,” and criticized them for the sheer amount of touching up their photos are given. (Paytas identifies as non-binary and uses the pronouns “they” and “them.”)
“Why are you even a model if you’re going to modify your looks that much?” he asked. “It’s like beauty queen to WWF wrestler in two seconds. You cannot photoshop your heart and soul — remember that.”
Klein was trying to make the wider point that people shouldn’t compare themselves to what they see on social media because, in all likelihood, these stars aren’t showing a picture of reality. But some thought he went a bit far with his jokes, calling one side by side of Paytas “Coachella vs an open casket funeral,” and referring to Tana Mongeau as a “manatee.”
Trisha Paytas hit back, calling Ethan a ‘disgusting piece of s—‘
Paytas didn’t take the criticism lying down, and hit back at Klein in a long string of tweets.
“hey @h3h3productions — you are a disgusting piece of s—,” they said. “Your recent video is not only predatory — it’s also HARMFUL to young girls.”
They told him they’d struggled with suicidal thoughts from a young age, and bullying can “lead to many girls wanting to take their lives like I did for so many years.”
“Suicide from bullying is f—ing real,” they continued. “I pray to God u never know anyone first hand that ends their life from that s—. It’s not a joke. It’s f—ing real — u sicko.”
They also posted a video called “h3h3 is HARMING YOUNG GIRLS!” where they tearfully recorded their thoughts from their infamous kitchen floor and urged Klein to take the video down.
“It just made me so sad and upset that there’s this 40-year-old man shaming girls,” they said. “He would take my one photo where I was glam for Instagram and compare it to a video like this or a vlog video where I have no makeup on. It wasn’t the same day. It was a completely different looks.”
Trisha also got Ethan’s wife Hila involved, but Ethan wasn’t bothered
Paytas sent another tweet, tagging the other half of H3H3, Hila Klein, telling her not to raise the child they were expecting “to be as ignorant as your husband.”
“I would divorce him ASAP as he is causing so much damage to young women,” Paytas wrote. “It’s actually SICKENING. I’ve never been more disgusted. That you stand by him is even more disgusting.”
Klein wasn’t fazed and retweeted them saying, “Who is this rude person? I don’t recognize her from her profile picture. Anyone know?”
He then hammered his point further by posting a highly edited photo of himself where he’d neatened up his facial hair, made himself thinner, and gotten rid of all the lines on his face.
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Things took a surprising turn when Trisha asked to come on the podcast
Just two days later, Paytas tweeted that they wanted to appear on the H3 podcast.
“Omg why didn’t I realize how funny @h3h3productions was this whole time?!” they continued, thanking him for a (non-existent) collab and saying she was a huge fan.
They also said they wanted to go to Israel with Klein because he “seems like the dude to do this with.”
Paytas is a self-confessed troll, so these tweets were probably little more than an attempt at getting some attention.
“I just have this constant need for attention,” they told Insider in a previous article. “Maybe that’s a bad thing, maybe not, but it’s how I thrive.”
In August, Trisha asked Ethan to leave them alone
In August, presumably after Klein made a comment about them in the H3H3 podcast, Paytas tweeted him once again.
“Why do [you] repeatedly come for me ??” they asked. “U r a dad now, maybe like stop picking on girls online for literally no reason ?”
Klein didn’t respond.
In October, Trisha came out as a transgender man, which Ethan said was ‘f—ing insane’
Paytas posted a video titled “I AM TRANSGENDER (FEMALE TO MALE)” in October, in which they said they’re basically a gay man who likes to dress in drag because they are attracted to other gay men, loves “glam” and “voluptuousness,” and has “penis envy.”
Many in the LGBTQ community were upset because they thought Paytas was making a joke out of transgender issues, and several called them out on social media and in the video’s comments.
Klein also mocked them, calling Paytas “f—ing insane” on an episode of the podcast.
In response, Paytas send several revealing photos to Klein over Twitter, which he called “Gross.”
They also uploaded another video where they said Klein was “worse than Donald Trump.”
With neither side backing down, Ethan then posted a mocking imitation of Trisha’s apology video
Paytas posted an apology video shortly after their announcement, saying they were “overwhelmed by the amount of backlash.”
Klein didn’t miss the opportunity to mock them, dressing up in a blonde wig and red lipstick, and filming a kitchen floor video of his own.
“I wanted to basically apologize to Trisha Paytas, who is such a sweet, genuine person,” Klein said. “I wanted to, first of all, apologize for saying that she looked like she was at an open casket funeral, she was the corpse inside of a casket … You’re so beautiful you’re such a queen.”
He continued insincerely for another few minutes, impersonating Paytas’ apology voice.
“Sorry for saying that you’re not a trans man, even though you have F cup jugs that are always on display,” he said. “Mostly I just want to apologize to Trisha and say that she’s really hot and definitely doesn’t look like she’s been passed around as much as a bowling ball.”
A Twitter exchange then suggested a collab was actually on the cards
A short Twitter exchange between Klein and Paytas in October suggested they might get together to record a podcast. Klein said if they wre “man enough” they would come on, to which Paytas said they would do it for $18 million.
“You’d definitely do it for free,” Klein said.
“Apologize for all ur dumb ass trolling then maybe,” Paytas replied.
Sure enough, a few days later, Trisha made their debut appearance on the H3 podcast
Paytas appearing on the H3 podcast was a turn of events nobody expected. It looked like the hosts, and their guest were all having a lot of fun, and they seemed to put their history behind them.
There was one slightly awkward moment where Paytas claimed they had made no money from her video, declaring they were transgender. Klein said he didn’t believe them and made them pull up their YouTube dashboard. It revealed they’d actually made $8,000.
“You’ve been going around saying in your defence and on television too that ‘I don’t make money from this’ so why would I do it?” he said. “I just think that it kind of undermines that whole argument that you’re doing this just to tell your story but clearly you made 8,000 bucks from it.”
But they all seemed to laugh the situation off and ended the recording on good terms.
“Thank you for coming,” Klein tweeted afterwards. “Despite our differences and a few rocky moments, it was really fun having you in the studio.”
Trisha appeared on the podcast again in February for a special ‘Bachelorette’ episode
Things were quiet between H3H3 and Paytas until they came onto the podcast again for a special episode.
The Kleins decided they wanted to help Paytas find love by starting a “Bachelorette” style dating show.
“Look how far we’ve come,” Paytas said in the second episode, among many insinuations they wanted to be part of a ‘throuple’ with the Kleins.
Paytas chose some of their favorite contestants by judging their video entries. They also expressed an interest in Hila’s brother.
They agreed to the rules set by Klein — it was preferred they wouldn’t message with any of the contestants in private, but if Paytas did, they would have to let the Kleins know.
However, lockdown meant the show was put on hold, and Trisha started breaking the rules
The coronavirus pandemic threw a spanner in the works for the quest to find Paytas love, and the show was put on hold in March.
However, Paytas took things into their own hands. Out of seemingly nowhere, they started posting photos of them and Klein’s brother-in-law Moses Hacmon on social media.
“Social distancing together,” they tweeted with a love heart and two photos of them and Hacmon in their garden.
“At the end I won the bachelorette. Thank u @h3h3productions,” Paytas tweeted a few days later with another photo.
“Stop this right now,” Klein tweeted back, as well as a vomiting emoji. “I’m not really mad just confused and wondering what the actual f— is going on.”
Klein said he and Hila had no idea what was happening because Hacmon was avoiding their questions. They discussed the matter on their podcast, saying nobody had told them anything and they were just judging the situation from what they saw on social media.
Meanwhile, on April 3, Paytas tweeted, “Love being family” with yet another selfie with Hacmon.
“Sorry Trish but even Jesus here couldn’t fix ur broken a–,” Klein replied. Paytas asked him not to troll them for “being in love.”
The confusion continued throughout April, with Trisha apparently learning Hebrew and prepping for Passover
Hila and Hacmon are both Israeli and Jewish, and Paytas clearly wanted to show how dedicated they were to their new love by learning about his culture throughout April.
Things between Trisha and the Kleins quickly turned dramatic again
Paytas was very open and revealing about their relationship with Hacmon on social media, then started accusing Klein of trying to ruining it.
“U can’t cut through the earth,” they tweeted at him. “We are soulmates. So u can’t set it on fire even if u wanted to. I’ve been trying to be nice and respectful but stop coming for me bro.”
Klein then told them to stop trying to cut Hacmon off from his family, “like Scientology.”
“He’s a big boy I think he can make his own decisions,” Paytas responded.
It looked like Trisha and Moses were not meant to be, and they accused the Kleins of ruining their relationship
On April 14, Paytas posted a series of now-deleted tweets to Klein. They said he was jealous of them and Hacmon because he never had sex himself, then confusingly said they wanted to have sex with his dad.
“I’m sure the love of your life Moses is thrilled to hear of your intentions to f— my dad,” Klein responded.
Paytas then uploaded a video called “h3 ruined my relationship,” which they said was “one of the saddest videos” they’d ever made. They spoke in-depth about how much they cared for Hacmon and went into details about their sex life, and then blamed the Kleins for the relationship ending.
They also claimed the Klein’s set them up on the “Bachelorette” show and didn’t choose contestants they would actually like.
“B—- you were up here trying to have a throuple with us like two weeks ago talking about me being a 10,” Klein responded.
In a further tweet, he added: “This season of the BacH3lorette has been wild damn!!!”
On April 22, Trisha uploaded a video of them and Moses eating Korean fried cheese
After a quiet couple of weeks, Paytas posted a video of them and Hacmon in their car eating Korean friend cheese on April 22. It’s unclear when the video was filmed, but they are wearing masks so it must have been some point during California’s ongoing lockdown.
They spoke about judgment, love, and hate, and Paytas’ love of deep-fried food.
Ethan and Hila reacted to the videos on April 25
The Klein’s reacted to Paytas’ latest videos about them and Hacmon in their podcast on April 25. Klein said he “couldn’t believe” what the situation had turned into.
Klein said he had no issue with their relationship, he was just still confused about what was going on. Hila said it all just highlighted how “worlds should not collide” and she was mentally checking out of the whole thing.
“This is so f—ing bizarre,” said Klein. “That my brother-in-law, Hila’s brother, is now in a Trisha Paytas video doing Mukbangs and I didn’t even know. I don’t even know that they’re hanging out.”
He also added a humorous jab at Paytas, saying Korean fried cheese dogs aren’t that good.
Trisha didn’t take the criticism well
In true trollish fashion, Paytas uploaded a video called “the biggest LIES + HYPOCRISY of h3h3 YET!” soon after the podcast aired on April 25. For seven minutes they claimed Klein wants to sleep with them, and defended fried cheese dogs.
Some commentators think the whole drama might have been ramped up by Paytas for publicity, and their quest to find love on the H3 Podcast will continue when the lockdown is over. It’s impossible to know what their intentions were for sure.
After several months of snide remarks and questions about Moses and Trisha’s relationship, they all seemed to have reconciled
Despite some ups and downs, including Paytas reading out his messages to another woman on their podcast, Hacmon and Paytas seemed to stay together for most of the lockdown. He appeared in many of their Instagram stories, podcasts, and TikToks, and spent a lot of time at their house with their family.
Hacmon has also appeared in Paytas’ vlogs, where they called him their “boyfriend.”
Klein hasn’t had much to say on the matter in recent months, and the feud largely died down.
However, things took an unexpected turn in September when Keemstar invited Gabbie Hanna — Paytas’ nemesis — on his DramaAlert show, where she spoke about writing Paytas a song. Paytas and Hanna fell out a while ago after Hanna told Paytas’ ex-boyfriend Jason Nash she’d heard that Paytas had herpes. Paytas has since made several videos asking Hanna to leave them alone.
Keemstar have a history of drama already, but having Hanna on the show discussing their history too was too much for Paytas. They sent several videos to him via Twitter accusing him of “defending pieces of s–t” and driving people to harm themselves.
The reignited conflict seemed to push Paytas and Klein together, as he also has a turbulent history with Keemstar. A few days later, Paytas and Klein announced they would be starting a podcast together, starting on September 15.
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Trisha and Ethan seemed to turn a major corner when Dr Drew appeared on the podcast
On a truly surreal episode of “Frenemies,” where Paytas and Klein dressed up as each other for Halloween, Dr Drew appeared as a guest to act as a sort of couple’s counselor.
The pair really seemed to turn a corner, speaking about upsetting words that had been exchanged over their history, and a fiery argument that had ended with Paytas storming out on a previous episode.
The session dredged up a lot of Klein and Paytas’ past, and things got pretty emotional at times. But overall, it seems to have done their relationship a lot of good. In episodes since, they both seem to be more comfortable and open, and a lot more respecting of each other’s boundaries.
Things fell apart yet again in an episode posted on December 10
After a brief chapter of peace, Paytas and Klein fell out again on episode 13. An argument started when Klein mentioned that Hila did not want to be talked about on the podcast, as the things Paytas was saying were causing tension between her and her brother Hacmon.
Klein tried to explain to Paytas that it wasn’t about them — rather, it was family tensions and Hacmon not being honest with his sister. But Paytas took offense and was incredibly upset by the situation. After some discussion, Paytas cried and walked out on the show, swearing, and saying that they “hated” Hila.
Hacmon, who had gone out to collect pizzas for the show, returned to the chaos. It was unclear whether the podcast would continue.
On December 11, Trisha claimed that they were quitting ‘Frenemies’
On December 11, Paytas posted a video addressing the blowup between themself and Klein. She explained their frustrations and also said they had apologized to the Kleins.
In a livestream, Hila and Ethan continued to criticize Paytas. After the livestream, Paytas posted another video claiming they were quitting the show.
Trisha returned to the show, and apologized for their ‘meltdown’
Paytas returned to the show on December 16, and apologized for the things they had said the week before. They said they had experienced a “meltdown” and had overreacted. Dr Drew came onto the show as a guest for a second time and helped the pair talk through the last episode.
They spoke about Paytas’ fear of abandonment, and how Paytas pushes people away if they fear someone is going to leave them. Klein reassured them this was never going to happen, and he was always going to want to be their friend.
“My opinion really is that, I’m always willing to make it work, and there’s nothing you can say or do or you can say and storm out or whatever it is, that’s going to make me abandon you,” he said.
Paytas and Klein reconciled, and haven’t had a major argument since.
Paytas announced their engagement to Ethan’s brother-in-law Moses on December 25, 2020
On Christmas Day in 2020, Paytas announced on social media that they had gotten engaged to Moses Hacmon, Hila’s brother (and Ethan’s brother-in-law) whom Paytas had dated over the course of the pandemic.
“WE’RE ENGAGED!!!!!!!!” Paytas wrote in the caption of an Instagram post about the engagement. “Ima be a wifeyyyyy.”
They also posted footage of Hacmon’s proposal to YouTube.
“Congratulations guys this video was really beautiful to watch,” Klein wrote in a tweet replying to Paytas’ announcement on Twitter.
Ethan has taken Trisha’s side in a huge feud they are involved in
Paytas started feuding with one of their oldest friends, Shane Dawson, in January. They spoke about it on two consecutive episodes of “Frenemies,” and explained how Dawson hadn’t supported them when they told him they had been mistreated by controversial beauty mogul Jeffree Star.
Paytas has publicly claimed several times that Star acted like a “mean girl” on a trip to Las Vegas — alleging that he made fun of their skin, bullied them about their weight, and threw away their expensive Balenciaga sweater. Dawson, meanwhile, continued to collaborate with Star.
Paytas has made it pretty clear the friendship is over, and has received overwhelming support from Klein. He even posted a TikTok stating that Dawson, his partner Ryland Adams, and Star are his “enemies” now.
Paytas announced in June that they were quitting ‘Frenemies’ over ownership disputes
On June 8, Paytas posted a video to YouTube announcing that they were leaving the “Frenemies” podcast that they’ve co-hosted with Ethan Klein since September 2020.
In Paytas’ video, they said that the H3H3 production crew was unhappy with Paytas’ conduct during the latest episode and that recording for the show would pause for the week.
The announcement followed a dispute over Paytas and the H3H3 production crew’s contributions and compensation to the “Frenemies” podcast that took place on the latest episode, Insider’s Kat Tenbarge reported.
In the video announcing their departure, however, Paytas said that the dispute wasn’t the reason for their departure. Rather, they said that they wanted the podcast to be a 50/50 partnership that they and Klein built together, incorporating costs for the podcast set and production. According to Paytas, Klein’s position was that H3H3 produces the podcast and Paytas is “the talent.”
“I am honestly gutted over this whole thing, trisha’s video this morning was a total surprise to me,” Klein wrote in a tweet several hours after Paytas posted the video. “I dont [sic] really know what more I can say or do. Im [sic] very sorry to all the fans of frenemies, I know how much it meant to everyone, I did everything I humanly could to save it.”